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Sirin 06.08.2011 22:49

Было бы очень смешно, если бы не было так грустно.

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ВАШИНГТОН, 6 авг — РИА Новости, Денис Ворошилов. Более 20 военнослужащих, погибших при крушении вертолета в афганской провинции Вардак, являлись членами так называемой «группы 6» спецназа ВМС США — подразделения, которое в начале мая ликвидировало в Пакистане главаря «Аль-Каиды» Усаму бен Ладена, сообщил телеканал Fox News.
Вертолет НАТО разбился в ночь в субботу в ущелье Танги в уезде Саидабад после обстрела с земли.
«Среди погибших в крушении вертолета в Афганистане более 20 военнослужащих были членами “группы 6” спецназа SEALS (Sea, Air and Land Teams), которая ликвидировала бен Ладена», — сообщил в субботу телеканал со ссылкой на анонимные источники в Пентагоне.
По словам одного из собеседников телеканала, в разбившемся вертолете, помимо экипажа, находились 22 спецназовца, три военных авиадиспетчера, семь военнослужащих армии Афганистана, собака, кинолог и гражданский переводчик. Источники заявили, что это крупнейшая по численности потеря личного состава для «группы 6» за все время ее существования.
После подтверждения информации о гибели в авиакатастрофе американских военнослужащих президент и министр обороны США Барак Обама и Леон Панетта выразили соболезнования членам семей погибших.
«Мои мысли и молитвы сейчас с теми, кто потерял своих близких. Их смерти явились новым подтверждением того, на какие исключительные жертвы идут американские военные и их семьи, включая тех, кто служит в Афганистане… Мы также скорбим по афганцам, погибших вместе с нашими военнослужащими в борьбе за мирное и светлое будущее их страны», — говорится в заявлении Обамы, распространенном его пресс-службой.
В заявлении Панетты говорится, что США продолжат миссию в Афганистане и будут добиваться успешного ее завершения.

Подробнее: http://news.mail.ru/politics/6514586/?frommail=1


Михайло Суботич 06.08.2011 23:01

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Сообщение от Sirin (Сообщение 66381)
«Среди погибших в крушении вертолета в Афганистане более 20 военнослужащих были членами “группы 6” спецназа SEALS (Sea, Air and Land Teams), которая ликвидировала бен Ладена»

Концы в воду.

arc_shafer 07.08.2011 01:26

мда - играй после ентого в call of duty. Завел пацанов долг панимаешь.....

konstantins3 07.08.2011 02:10

best of the best
 
Из Командо Navy-Seal это не значит из группы, которая ..."ликвидировала" бен Ладена.

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Ein Navy-Seal-Kommando hatte am 2. Mai Terrorchef Osama bin Laden in der pakistanischen Stadt Abbottabad getötet. Allerdings handele es sich bei den Absturzopfern nicht um dieselben Männer, die den Anführer des Terrornetzwerks al-Qaida erschossen hatten, berichtete der Sender.
Скрытый текст:
Nato-Hubschrauber abgeschossen – 38 Tote

http://bilder.bild.de/fotos-skaliert...h=343.bild.jpg Taliban haben einen Nato-Hubschrauber der Typs Chinook abgeschossen. 31 US-Soldaten kamen dabei ums Leben (Archivfoto)
Foto: AP




06.08.2011 — 12:02 Uhr
Schwerer Abschuss in Afghanistan! Bei einem Gefecht im Osten des Landes haben Taliban-Kämpfer einen Hubschrauber der Nato-Truppe abgeschossen. 30 US-Soldaten, sieben Soldaten der afghanischen Armee starben sowie ein ziviler Übersetzer!








Das bestätigte nun auch eine Gewährsperson aus der US-Regierung.






Unter den getöteten US-Soldaten waren nach Angaben des TV-Senders CNN auch Spezialkräfte der Einheit Navy Seals.
Ein Navy-Seal-Kommando hatte am 2. Mai Terrorchef Osama bin Laden in der pakistanischen Stadt Abbottabad getötet. Allerdings handele es sich bei den Absturzopfern nicht um dieselben Männer, die den Anführer des Terrornetzwerks al-Qaida erschossen hatten, berichtete der Sender.
In der Region Wardak läuft gerade ein Einsatz afghanischer und verbündeter Truppen gegen die Taliban. Der Hubschrauber stürzte nach Augenzeugenberichten ab, als er vom Dach eines Hauses starten wollte, auf dem er während des Gefechts gelandet war.
Taliban erklärten im Internet, eine ihrer Granaten habe den Hubschrauber zum Absturz gebracht.
Es ist der bisher schwerste Verlust der US-Truppe bei einem Angriff in Afghanistan. Präsident Hamid Karsai, dessen Büro den Abschuss bestätigte, schickte ein Kondolenzschreiben an US-Präsident Barack Obama.
Der Ort des Gefechts liegt im Distrikt Sajd Abad in der Provinz Wardak, sagte der Sprecher der Provinzverwaltung, Schahidullah Schahid. Die umkämpfte Provinz grenzt an die Hautstadtprovinz Kabul und ist für eine starke Präsenz der Taliban bekannt.
Die Nato schickte am Samstag einen Bergungstrupp zur Unfallstelle und leitete eine Untersuchung des Vorfalls ein.
In einer Stellungnahme der Taliban hieß es, die Nato habe in Sajd Abad ein Haus angegriffen, in dem sich am Freitag Aufständische versammelt hätten.
In Afghanistan kommt es immer wieder zu Hubschrauberabstürzen. In diesem Jahr sind mindestens 17 Flugzeuge und Hubschrauber der Nato und der afghanischen Streitkräfte verunglückt. Häufig sind Pilotenfehler, schlechtes Wetter und technische Probleme für die Abstürze verantwortlich.
Mindestens ein Abschuss wurde jedoch von der Nato bestätigt. Am 25. Juli war ein Hubschrauber vom Typ CH-47F von einer Flugabwehrrakete getroffen worden. Bei dem Angriff wurden zwei Besatzungsmitglieder verletzt.



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U.S. official: Killed forces were reinforcing troops in Afghanistan

By David Ariosto and Barbara Starr, CNN
August 6, 2011 -- Updated 2119 GMT (0519 HKT)

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SEALs killed were on rescue mission




STORY HIGHLIGHTS
  • Helicopter was on a reinforcement mission, U.S. military official says
  • 22 of the dead are U.S. Navy SEALs, U.S. officials say
  • A majority belonged to the same unit that killed Osama bin Laden
  • 7 Afghans died in the incident, President Karzai says


Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- In the single deadliest loss for U.S. troops since the Afghan war began in late 2001, 30 service members died early Saturday when a helicopter carrying them went down while they were reinforcing other troops, officials said.
Insurgents are believed to have shot down the CH-47 Chinook, a U.S. military official said. The Taliban claimed militants downed the helicopter with a rocket-propelled grenade.
Among the 25 U.S. special forces killed in Wardak province were 22 Navy SEALS, considered to be the "best of the best." Seven Afghan troops also died.
The majority of the Navy SEALs who died belonged to the same covert unit that conducted the raid that killed Osama bin Laden in May, though they were not the same men, the military official said.
The troops died during a "quick reaction" mission to assist military personnel pinned down by insurgents in a fierce firefight, a U.S. military official told CNN.
DEADLIEST DAYS IN AFGHANISTAN
Saturday's NATO crash killed more than two dozen U.S. troops, making it the war's deadliest single incident for Americans, according to a CNN count. Here are previous large-scale losses.

U.S.
April 6, 2005 -- 15 soldiers, 3 civilian contractors killed in crash of helicopter traveling in severe weather.
June 27, 2005 -- 8 soldiers, 8 sailors killed when MH-47 helicopter downed by rocket-propelled grenade.
May 6, 2006 -- 10 soldiers killed in helicopter crash.
Oct. 26, 2009 -- 3 DEA agents, 7 troops killed as they returned from raid.
BRITAIN

Sept. 2, 2006 -- 14 troops killed in NATO plane crash believed to be due to technical problem.
FRANCE
Aug. 18, 2008 -- 10 soldiers killed in insurgent attack on patrol.
SPAIN
Aug. 16, 2005 -- 17 troops die in helicopter crash. Accident most likely cause, but attack not ruled out.


"It's a big loss" for the SEALs, one of the officials said. "The numbers are high."
Reflecting on the sobering loss, President Barack Obama said the deaths were "a reminder of the extraordinary sacrifices made by the men and women of our military and their families, including all who have served in Afghanistan."
NATO's International Security Assistance Force said 30 U.S. service members in ISAF, one civilian interpreter and seven Afghan commandos were killed. The nationality of the interpreter was not known late Saturday.
The U.S. deaths came as NATO is drawing down and handing over security control to national forces. Some 10,000 U.S. troops are scheduled to depart by year's end, with all U.S. military personnel out of Afghanistan by the end of 2014.
However, no one is talking about withdrawing special forces and they are expected to stay on the job.
"We are determined to stay the course, especially in this crucial period when Afghan and international security forces are working closer than ever to make transition a success," NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said.
Special forces have been conducting almost daily night-time raids against insurgent targets in rugged areas like Wardak.
The Chinook went down as an Afghan and coalition force operation targeted a bomb-making cell leader in Wardak, leading to the detention of numerous insurgents Friday, according to ISAF. It is not clear if the helicopter incident and the raid were connected.


P.S.: "переводчики-подставные лошади просвещения" А.С. Пушкинъ.

8.1 Давая ссылку, или цитату на языке, отличном от русского, потрудитесь привести ваш вариант перевода. Учтите, что не все наши посетители владеют иностранными языками, отнеситесь к ним уважительно.

konstantins3 07.08.2011 13:46

"переводчики-подставные лошади просвещения" А.С. Пушкинъ.
 
В текстах на немецком и английских языках, выделенных красным шрифтом, говорится о том, что погибшие солдаты Navy-Seal-Kommando не принимали участия в "ликвидации" бин Ладена.
Интернет-Бильд ссылается на CNN, последние ссылаются на официальное военное ведомство САШС.

Эту информацию привёл только для полноты картины, ни как не истину в последней инстанции.
Поэтому и не переводил на русский.

На некоторых сайтах произошла подмена смысла, в погоне за желтизной, по-моему...
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Было бы очень смешно, если бы не было так грустно.

Цитата:
ВАШИНГТОН, 6 авг — РИА Новости, Денис Ворошилов. Более 20 военнослужащих, погибших при крушении вертолета в афганской провинции Вардак, являлись членами так называемой «группы 6» спецназа ВМС США — подразделения, которое в начале мая ликвидировало в Пакистане главаря «Аль-Каиды» Усаму бен Ладена, сообщил телеканал Fox News.
Вертолет НАТО разбился в ночь в субботу в ущелье Танги в уезде Саидабад после обстрела с земли.
«Среди погибших в крушении вертолета в Афганистане более 20 военнослужащих были членами “группы 6” спецназа SEALS (Sea, Air and Land Teams), которая ликвидировала бен Ладена», — сообщил в субботу телеканал со ссылкой на анонимные источники в Пентагоне.
Цитата:

Afghanistan

Helicopter Crash in Afghanistan Reportedly Kills Members of SEAL Team 6


Published August 06, 2011
| FoxNews.com

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AP
Aug. 6: Virginia Beach residents Tom Hall, left, and Mark Janik, center, watch as news about the Navy Seal Team Six helicopter accident is displayed on a television at a bar in Virginia Beach , Va. The headquarters for the Navy Seal Team Six is located in Virgina Beach.

KABUL, Afghanistan -- President Barack Obama said Saturday that the deaths of Americans in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan are a reminder of the "extraordinary" price the U.S. military is paying in the decade-long Afghan war.
Insurgents shot down a U.S. military helicopter during fighting in eastern Afghanistan, killing 30 Americans, most of them belonging to the same elite unit as the Navy SEALs who killed Al Qaeda leader Usama bin Laden, U.S. officials said Saturday. It was the deadliest single loss for American forces in the decade-old war against the Taliban.
One current and one former U.S. official said that the dead included 25 Navy SEALs from SEAL Team Six, the unit that carried out the raid in Pakistan in May that killed bin Laden. They were being flown by a crew of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because families are still being notified.
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July 26: Afghan President Hamid Karzai speaks during a gathering with high ranking Afghan military officials at the presidential palace in Kabul, Afghanistan.


A total number of 38 people died in the crash, killing 7 Afghans and one interpreter.
None of those killed in the crash is believed to have been part of the SEALs mission that killed bin Laden, but they were from the same unit as the bin Laden team.
"We don't believe that any of the special operators who were killed were involved in the bin Laden operation," a senior U.S. military official told Fox News.
President Barack Obama mourned the deaths of the American troops, saying in a statement that the crash serves as a reminder of the "extraordinary sacrifices" being made by the U.S. military and its families. He said he also mourned "the Afghans who died alongside our troops."
The death toll would surpass the worst single day loss of life for the U.S.-led coalition in Afghanistan since the war began in 2001 -- the June 28, 2005 downing of a military helicopter in eastern Kunar province. In that incident, 16 Navy SEALs and Army special operations troops were killed when their craft was shot down while on a mission to rescue four SEALs under attack by the Taliban. Three of the SEALs being rescued were also killed and the fourth wounded. It was the highest one-day death toll for the Navy Special Warfare personnel since World War II.
The Taliban claimed they downed the helicopter with rocket fire while it was taking part in a raid on a house where insurgents were gathered in the province of Wardak late Friday. It said wreckage of the craft was strewn at the scene. A senior U.S. administration official in Washington said the craft was apparently shot down by insurgents. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the crash is still being investigated.
NATO confirmed the overnight crash took place and that there "was enemy activity in the area." But it said it was still investigating the cause and conducting a recovery operation at the site. It did not release details or casualty figures.
"We are in the process of accessing the facts," said U.S. Air Force Capt. Justin Brockhoff, a NATO spokesman.
With its steep mountain ranges, providing shelter for militants armed with rocket-propelled grenade launchers, eastern Afghanistan is hazardous terrain for military aircraft. Large, slow-moving air transport carriers like the CH-47 Chinook are particularly vulnerable, often forced to ease their way through sheer valleys where insurgents can achieve more level lines of fire from mountainsides.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai on Saturday gave the first public word of the new crash, saying in a statement that "a NATO helicopter crashed last night in Wardak province" and that 31 American special operations troops were killed. He expressed his condolences to President Barack Obama.
The helicopter was a twin-rotor Chinook, said an official at NATO headquarters in Brussels. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said he was receiving his information from an Afghan officer in Kabul.
The crash took place in the Sayd Abad district of Wardak province, said a provincial government spokesman, Shahidullah Shahid. The volatile region borders the province of Kabul where the Afghan capital is located and is known for its strong Taliban presence.
Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid said in a statement that Taliban fighters downed the helicopter during a "heavy raid" in Sayd Abad. He said NATO attacked a house in Sayd Abad where insurgent fighters were gathering Friday night. During the battle, the fighters shot down the helicopter, killing 31 Americans and seven Afghans, he said, adding that eight insurgents were killed in the fight.
There have been at least 17 coalition and Afghan aircraft crashes in Afghanistan this year.
Most of the crashes were attributed to pilot errors, weather conditions or mechanical failures. However, the coalition has confirmed that at least one CH-47F Chinook helicopter was hit by a rocket propelled grenade on July 25. Two coalition crew members were injured in that attack.
Meanwhile, in the southern Helmand province, an Afghan government official said Saturday that NATO troops attacked a house and inadvertently killed eight members of a family, including women and children.
NATO said that Taliban fighters fired rocket propelled grenades and small arms fire at coalition troops during a patrol Friday in the Nad Ali district.
"Coalition forces responded with small arms fire and as the incident continued, an air strike was employed against the insurgent position," said Brockhoff. He added that NATO sent a delegation to meet with local leaders and investigate the incident.
Nad Ali district police chief Shadi Khan said civilians died in the bombardment but that it was unknown how many insurgents were killed.
Helmand, a Taliban stronghold, is the deadliest province in Afghanistan for international troops.
NATO has come under harsh criticism in the past for accidentally killing civilians during operations against suspected insurgents. However, civilian death tallies by the United Nations show the insurgency is responsible for most war casualties involving noncombatants.
In south Afghanistan, NATO said two coalition service member were killed, one on Friday and another on Saturday. The international alliance did not release further details.
With the casualties from the helicopter crash, the deaths bring to 365 the number of coalition troops killed this year in Afghanistan and 42 this month.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.


konstantins3 28.08.2011 17:00

Нет дыма без огня.
 
Как минимум один из участников операции против бин Ладена был в сбитом вертолёте CH-47 Chinook.
http://kob.su/forum/showthread.php?t=4779&page=59


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